Win the Hour, Win the Day: Time Management Skills to Improve Your Business with Kris Ward

Jennie Wright [00:00:00]:

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Acquire podcast. I’m your host, Jenny Wright. And this is the podcast where we talk about marketing, list building, leads and launches. And we get deep into the marketing side of things, looking at list building and online events. And this entire podcast is designed to empower entrepreneurs and marketers with the knowledge and strategies to master these essential business growth tactics. I’m excited. We’re gonna be talking with a productivity expert today, Chris Ward, who I think has one of the most high energy, deliveries I have ever seen, and I’m excited.

 

Jennie Wright [00:00:35]:

So, Chris, thanks so much for being here.

 

Kris Ward [00:00:38]:

I’m excited to be here. Thank you so much. That’s quite a little intro. I like it.

 

Jennie Wright [00:00:42]:

Absolutely. It’s so much fun. We we’ve, you know, we’ve kinda gone back and forth. We’ve known each other for a bit. I was really fortunate to be on your podcast, and, thought it would be a really great opportunity to come talk to my audience who loves to kinda get that nitty gritty piece. And so you’ve obviously, you’ve been an author. You’re a speaker. You’re a productivity expert, a team building and system strategist.

 

Jennie Wright [00:01:06]:

You’ve got all these different monikers, that you have. And I think that’s really cool. I think depending on how long you’ve been, and I think you and I have been in the same business for the same amount of time pretty much, you develop and you get all these different monikers in your business, all these different titles and things that you’ve done. Do you ever feel like you’ve just if you look at it, if you made a list of it, do you think you’ve done a lot?

 

Kris Ward [00:01:29]:

I really don’t. You know what? Because I I’m sure I have the same disorders as everybody else. All I look at is the next mountain. It’s like I have so I’m so hungry to get to the next thing. And for me, I’m crazy passionate that your business should support your life, not consume it. I wanna create a movement around that. And so I feel like I haven’t even put a drop in the bucket yet because it’s like, you know, my clients will say, oh my gosh. They’re generous.

 

Kris Ward [00:01:52]:

They’ll say, you changed my life and got my life back and all these things. And I just see every day people grinding it out. It doesn’t need to be that way. So I feel like I haven’t even started, really.

 

Jennie Wright [00:02:05]:

Sorry. No. Don’t. I mean, I kinda feel The I kinda feel the same way. You and I were both like, you met a I think it was you made a post or a comment on a post about the fact that, oh, yeah. It was a comment on one of my posts about, how you just love reading business books because it gets you really hyped up and inspired, but you have to be careful because it can get you so hyped up that you can’t sleep. I know what that feels like.

 

Kris Ward [00:02:27]:

Yeah. I don’t I can’t read the book before I go to bed because the only books I read are business books, and that is not going to soothe me. People are so generous and they like yourself, give me a a compliment about my high energy. That’s all well and good, but that energy needs to be toned down to go to sleep. So so there is the opposite side of that problem too.

 

Jennie Wright [00:02:46]:

Mhmm. It is. I watch, I like entrepreneur like entrepreneurial movies. So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I watch a lot of documentaries. Documentaries.

 

Kris Ward [00:02:53]:

I think anything done well comes down to business, and so even being an Olympic athlete, whatever. So I find all that I just eat it up all the time. Yeah.

 

Jennie Wright [00:03:02]:

Absolutely. Alright. Let’s get into it. Let’s talk about it. So couple things that you you talk about. You talk about, like, time management, which is great. I think people can find time management. I want to get into the nitty gritty about teams and when is the right I mean, most of the people listening to this probably have a VA, if not more than 1 virtual assistant, because, let’s let’s just put it out there.

 

Jennie Wright [00:03:23]:

It is essential, I think, to have a good VA. If if it’s an admin VA, great. I love a good unicorn VA, but they’re hard to find. I was a virtual assistant. I don’t know if you knew that.

 

Kris Ward [00:03:35]:

I did. Yeah.

 

Jennie Wright [00:03:36]:

That’s right. Yeah. I was a virtual assistant. That’s actually how I started my business, back in the day. So let’s talk about that. Talk to me about teams. What are the big mistakes that people make when they’ve already been a bit established and they have maybe 1 VA or maybe like a graphic designer at a VA? What are the big mistakes they’re making and and how is it holding them back these days?

 

Kris Ward [00:03:56]:

Okay. So here’s the thing. It’s kinda not their fault because we’ve all been institutionalized and we, we’ve all at some point dabbled in the corporate world. Even if you say, no, I’ve always been an entrepreneur, if you get a job at Dairy Queen you know, as a teenager or anything, we have had corporate experience. So the biggest problem is we’re following the corporate model of it being very parentified. So when you are working, you hire someone and then you supervise them like a parent or a teacher supervising a child or a student, and that’s a very parentified model. And this is why people say, oh, it’s just easier to do it myself. So whether it’s, you know, a virtual assistant Jennie anybody on your team, and I also argue that The team is philosophy, not a number.

 

Kris Ward [00:04:35]:

So you can have a team of 1. And here is the thing is when you have to run around and check on the work because that’s the way you’ve set it up, it’s very hierarchical. That’s why you don’t like doing it because it’s it’s it eats at your The, and then you set them up as a task puppet, and The come back when they’re done, and then they need more work, and it’s the tail wagging the dog. So where we’re all about is we do find, hire, and onboard virtual systems for our clients. We do that because we wanna get to the important work, and we don’t want them to have that learning curve where you’re not an agency. And I wanna qualify that because agencies are looking for billable hours. They’re gonna get a bunch of VAs. They’re gonna make them look all The nice in the resume, prep them for the interview, and they just want you to hire them and get locked into these contracts.

 

Kris Ward [00:05:19]:

And they don’t know what you need, and you’re not set up, and you don’t have infrastructure and all these things. Right? So if you’re working with us and you do need a VA, we’ll help you out and get you The. And lots of times we work with teams that have the virtual assistant or some sort of admin team, And we still come in, and we work with you on 2 things, your team, your time, and your tool kits. And the team aspect of it is we then even if you’ve got existing admin teams, we have clients that come to us that do have that. They still Wiehler say, do you want them to go through our leadership program? Because we want your admin team to be leaders. We want you to have peers that you can really lean on, And that just makes, your results so much more impactful, dynamic, you know, lucrative, everything. So one of the biggest mistakes I would say right off the bat is following that parentified model.

 

Jennie Wright [00:06:11]:

Yeah. I see a lot of people doing it, and I also actually see there’s 2 different models that I see happening. There’s the parentification model, which I think a lot of people just naturally fall into. But the other one, Chris, which freaks me out, is the, hyper micromanagement model.

 

Kris Ward [00:06:29]:

That’s just an inflamed parent parentified, I would argue.

 

Jennie Wright [00:06:32]:

Yeah. You know what? You’re probably right. I kind of put them in 2 separate boxes, but you’re probably right that they’re actually in the same thing. 1 is just on steroids. I Yeah. It drives me nuts. And this is coming from somebody who was a virtual assistant. I can’t stand micromanagement.

 

Jennie Wright [00:06:47]:

Like, I don’t want to be micromanaged, and I won’t do it. And I had somebody that I knew it was, it was a client that wanted to hire me. And this was just at the beginning when they did those screen share app, like the, you know, the time management apps where you log your time, but it also takes pictures of your screen. Oh, my. Yeah. And this one was, hey, if you work with us, our our software is gonna take an image of your screen, like 30 seconds, every 60 seconds, every minute, whatever it was. And I was like, why? Like, I’m gonna get the work done for you. Why do you need to look over my shoulder and stare at my screen? Because you’re not, first of all, you’re not the only client I’m working for.

 

Jennie Wright [00:07:23]:

And secondly, I take little mental health breaks. And honestly, at the time I was probably, you know, checking out FarmVille or something on Facebook. Like, I don’t know. But I wasn’t gonna be I didn’t want my screen taken, like a shot of because it just felt really, just felt really gross, actually. Violating. Yeah. It should have.

 

Kris Ward [00:07:42]:

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So oh my gosh. There’s so much to unpack there. So these micromanagers are really just, like, back to the Printified model. They’re like helicopter moms. Right? So helicopter pat parents.

 

Kris Ward [00:07:52]:

I don’t think the mom cornered the market on it. So so that’s what you’re talking about there. And what I would say to you, when they go through our leadership program, you know, then what we also teach them is our signature super toolkit. So we would be let’s say I was working with you, Jennie. I would be teaching you how to set these super toolkits, and we would also, at the same time, be teaching anyone on your team, whether you brought them into the game or we found them for you, how to do super toolkits. So again, what happens is these super toolkits allow you to do everything really powerful and simple and efficient and save your brainpower and energy management. So let me explain. Back to the corporate model, SOP standard operating procedures are very seldom written by the end user.

 

Kris Ward [00:08:36]:

They’re static in nature. They’re just there to cover liability. Often, they have training and stuff clumped in with it together. And I know maybe I’m the only one that had a job on the The day they threw a manual, landed in your lap, and you thought, I’m going to lose this job because I can’t keep awake. So that’s what SOPs and stuff like that. So then we go, oh, I’m starting my own business. I’m not doing this. This is just gonna choke me.

 

Kris Ward [00:08:59]:

Right? So then you bring on the admin team person or whatever, and a couple things happen. You’re running around with you, you know, hair on fire. You have these very convoluted SOPs that are just insufficient and slow everybody down. And then you’re also now trying to make up for that with The micromanaging, where these super toolkits are breathing dynamic documents that allow the virtual assistant to be working independently and quite efficiently. Because, also, here’s the thing. I remember before the lockdowns and stuff, I have a cousin and he runs, an accounting firm. And he’s like, how could you have your team all virtual? Like, I have to be in the office and blah blah blah. I’m sure they’re all working hard.

 

Kris Ward [00:09:41]:

And I’m like, this is not the day and the age where you write something on a piece of paper and hand it over and show your work. Like, all the work comes through the computer. Right? So you will see when people are not working or working, whether you’re there or not, because they’re going to deliver their work through the computer. Now back when I started many years ago, my first hire was through Upwork, which was ODesk at the time, and that was, like, the Facebook of virtual assistants. And they had that thing where you could check the screen every 10 minutes. Mhmm. I will tell you I used them for, like, 6 years, not once, not ever did I check the screen because you can tell by the work that’s coming through, especially when you got The super tool kits that work is being done. It’s that simple.

 

Kris Ward [00:10:23]:

So it just put a bad taste in your mouth, but it’s really a waste of their time and energy and and that’s just busy work something else for them to do.

 

Jennie Wright [00:10:33]:

Fair enough. If they don’t have your super toolkit and they haven’t hired you, what do you know, when when we look at growing our teams, what is the right like, talk to me about what we kinda need to look at in terms of, trying to grow effectively and not having too bloated of a team, not having too little of a team. There’s I feel like people don’t and maybe you can talk to this. I feel like people hire too late in their in their process but when they then when they go to hire they go I haven’t hired Jennie, and I’ve been doing this all by myself, and now I’m stressed. I’m gonna hire everybody. And The mass hire for everything, and then that backfires. So how do we like, talk to me about the mental aspect or the best way to do this and, like, just consider they haven’t bought any of your stuff and they’re not working for you or working with you. What’s the best way for them to kind of do this in the right way, in the right fashion?

 

Kris Ward [00:11:30]:

There’s a couple of points that are really powerful The brought up. So let’s say you’re hiring your 1st VA, Jenny. And then what happens often what I would say is what I hear more often is not that they hire everybody, but that they hire this one Jason. So they hire Sarah. And then Sarah is great when she starts out. It’s like, okay. I’m gonna get her to do this. And then cut to a few weeks later, she’s really good, and then they dump something else on her.

 

Kris Ward [00:11:53]:

And then they say, hey. You know what? Could you know anything about social media? Could you do The posts for me? And now you’re doing the The and, oh, do you know how to clip a video? And what happens is Sarah started off with assignments a, b, and c, and now you got her up to x, y, zed. And then you’re suddenly saying 6 months later, you know what? She started off really good, but you really diluted her and sent her in all these different directions doing this work. Now cut to I’m not about having big teams. To me, a big team is, like, 3 to 5 people. So I’m not saying that you do need a different person for everyone. Again, you can really be lean and purposeful, maybe of 2 people, but be mindful. And they don’t need to be full time, but be mindful of when you start them off and you keep expanding The you’re expanding things that are in different lanes.

 

Kris Ward [00:12:41]:

Not that their job can’t grow or they can’t elevate, but too often, people get things confused with, you know, just because she knows how to ends, you know, whatever. Put content on LinkedIn doesn’t mean that she knows how to do the graphics or all the things associated with that. So I see things happening there where The it gets diluted, and I find that’s really damaging.

 

Jennie Wright [00:13:06]:

Yeah. It is. I think I think the the lack of especially and funny enough, you said, oh, desk. My god. That’s where I actually started that in fiber. I think that the and and I think this happens a lot is the scope creep a lot. Yep. And I, you know, I’ve done I’ve done years.

 

Jennie Wright [00:13:22]:

I did 4 or 5 years as a VA at least, and then I did OBM, and then I did, done for you. And every time without fail, you’re gonna see somebody, not everybody Wright to scope creep. And I think part of that is also The best VAs, I think, are people pleasers. They really do wanna help people. And so they’ll go into that sort of servant, you know, of service attitude, but they also lack the boundaries. And one of the hardest things I think is people saying no and and, you know, growing from that and not saying, hey. Yeah. Sure.

 

Jennie Wright [00:13:57]:

Of course. I’ll write your article. Yes. I’ll ghostwrite your book. Yes. I’ll do this. I’ll post your stuff. That’s where I think it gets a little crazy.

 

Jennie Wright [00:14:05]:

So talk to me a little bit about, I guess, your method that you suggest that people do to win back, you know, win win the hour, win the day, like, your whole your whole shtick is get organized, find the productivity. VAs are supposed to help with that, obviously, but what else can people do so that they’re working less but more Wright like, with more productivity?

 

Kris Ward [00:14:29]:

Yeah. So I just wanna clarify a couple of things. So first of all, to your point, it’s really hard for anybody in it, that kind of position to say no to stuff. I mean, that’s your employer. And I certainly have had jobs where, like, that’s not what you hired me for. But The job keeps expanding and stretching, and they’re just, again, not in a position of authority to say no. So that’s why we have this whole leadership program because we want them to have some independence, confidence, and for you to understand how to communicate with The. Because often, people think a leader is convincing other people to follow, like a leader of a cult.

 

Kris Ward [00:15:04]:

It’s like, I’m gonna get everything everyone should do it my way. Right? So that’s really important because I think, yeah, you’re a people pleaser. You’re also someone trying to do a good job. So I’m sure when they asked you to do this and do that and all of a sudden Jennie doing 10 things to Sunday that was not on the schedule, It is what it is. That’s your job. So I think it’s unfair, the position you were in, and that happens all the time. The other thing I would say too is often people think I’m gonna help you get organized or you need to be more organized or disciplined or control. And to me, I think that’s unfair.

 

Kris Ward [00:15:36]:

First of all, often people who are organized are they have less to work with because they’ve just reorganized themselves and they don’t change the structure. So, you know, is the fallout your your systems will be a little bit more efficient? Yes. But it’s not about your character flaws of getting more organized. So I think too to the last point, I just something I really wanna touch on really quickly is some of the The biggest mistakes where people make with hiring a VA is just dumping on them, turning them into, like, a task puppet, you know, delegating, which is a lateral move. The work is still coming through you, and you think, oh, The shouldn’t it shouldn’t always be coming through. You shouldn’t be delegating. It should be assigned. Right? There’s a whole conversation about that, as well as disregarding, not understanding, or finding out the talents that they bring to the game and just looking at them as somebody that’s gonna handle your overflow when you’re in chaos.

 

Kris Ward [00:16:25]:

Right? So to your point about win the hour, win the day, we talk about team times in the toolkit. I think one of the things with time is 95% of people don’t know how to use their calendar. Now now you might go, what’s that about, Chris? Right? So here’s a couple of things. One is your calendar is your Time Bank account. Right? So what does that mean? It means most people Jenny, you might have me on your calendar today because you’re gonna meet with me. And then there’s work that you did that you just knew you had to do or there’s work you stuff you do every day, even checking your email. And people will say to me, Chris, I don’t need that on my calendar. I know I have to do that.

 

Kris Ward [00:17:03]:

And but it takes up time. So that would be the equivalent to you saying, well, I know my car payment comes out every month, but I don’t count it because I just know it comes out every month. Well, the money’s gone. So what happens is a lot of times people are not putting and have no idea really what work. They’re running off a to do list, which is just a percolating list of emergencies. And then what they’re doing is just, you know, thinking they’re stumbling into the The, and they think they might have they think they might have 7 hours, but they may only have 4.

 

Jennie Wright [00:17:35]:

Yes. Yes. Yes. That is absolutely true. I’ve actually got into time blocking pretty well. I think that’s a really good thing. Do you do is that what you’re sort of referencing is, like, blocking things out, making sure you have the time for, you know, checking your email and so on?

 

Kris Ward [00:17:51]:

Yeah. So I do believe in energy management versus time management. So we also wanna put things together so that you’re doing The same energy output. Like, tomorrow morning, I have to do videos. Now there’s videos for 3 different 3 or 4 different purposes, but I’m going to be in a video mode. Right? So I do believe in time blocking, but some bigger things that people sort of don’t talk about is, you know, one, I talk about the golden hour, the first hour in the morning. And I firmly believe you’re gonna have a business, and you can start your day refreshed and leave fresh. And that first hour, we are at our peak.

 

Kris Ward [00:18:25]:

And I know some people are gonna think you don’t understand I’m a night person. Well, I will push back and say, you think you’re a night person because the phones are shut off, no one can call you, and you’ve got through the day. Now you think you can have quiet time to get to that important project. But, really, the first hour of the day, like your cell phone, it’s recharged, and so you wanna do the work that requires the most attention or focused first thing in the morning. Right? Mhmm. You can always answer emails. You can do the other stuff you know how to do later in the day. And then it’s kinda like when I wrote my book, When They Are When the Day, I did that the The hour of every morning.

 

Kris Ward [00:19:01]:

I also worked backwards. We do this in our personal lives. We seldom do it in our business. So you might say, Jenny, oh, I have to be at my mother in law’s. Saturday morning, 11, she lives an hour away, so if you leave at 10, I have to get ready at night. So you’re doing the math. Mhmm. So what happens is, you know, entrepreneurs, coaches, consultants, whatever, we just dive into our work enthusiastically.

 

Kris Ward [00:19:23]:

And you think, oh, yeah. I’m just gonna go you know, this is my new project. I I really wanna get this going, or I’m gonna write a book, and I’ll do work at the end of every day when I got time. So what I did was I had to have my book to the editors by June or she couldn’t do it till September. So then I did the math. I worked backwards, and I figured out in order to achieve that, I had to do 5 pages per day, Monday to Friday. I was doing the The hour of every morning. So now the choice is first thing in the morning, hey.

 

Kris Ward [00:19:52]:

Am I not going to do this or yes or no? If I had it later in the day, it could just be a sliding scale of, oh, I got busy today. There was a printer didn’t work and There’s all these things and it slid into tomorrow. Right? Mhmm. So when it’s the first hour of the day, not only am I freshest, but then I have to make a I have to be purposeful about not doing it Wright. Now The were some times where I thought, I don’t think I have 5 pages in me today. But then because I was working backwards, I go, well, if I don’t have 5 pages in me today, I would not have 10 tomorrow. I do. Right? Yep.

 

Jennie Wright [00:20:24]:

Yep. It’s 4:15 in the next day.

 

Kris Ward [00:20:27]:

Yep. So that keeps you sober really quickly using your calendar effectively because you cannot improve what you don’t measure, and then it was very tangible. So working backwards, that’s a big thing that no one does, and I think it’s such a game changer.

 

Jennie Wright [00:20:42]:

How does that work for somebody who’s neurodivergent?

 

Kris Ward [00:20:46]:

So what I would say too is often I deal with people that think, oh, you don’t understand. I’m I got attention deaf astuteur. I got all these different things. Right? I would argue that then you need this even more. And so if you say, look. I can’t manage an hour or I’ve set it an hour and then I only get 20 minutes Wright of it. Well, then we know that. Right? So then we might have to change the formula.

 

Kris Ward [00:21:07]:

Like, we’ve been trying this for a week, and we might say, look. It’s been 2 or 3 weeks. I give myself an hour. Podcast 20 minutes. Okay. Fine. So then we know it’s gonna take us longer to write the book, but it doesn’t give us a free pass. So we can say, good.

 

Kris Ward [00:21:19]:

If I can get I’ll now do half hour block if I need to to get that solid 20 minutes. But you cannot improve what you don’t measure. So this is not a formula to box you in. This is tools to free you.

 

Jennie Wright [00:21:33]:

Got it. Okay. What if you were to if you were to kinda look at people’s businesses and sort of, I don’t know, create a persona from what you see, do you think that everybody kind of falls into a certain type of business persona? You know, like the you know, however you would wanna call them. Like, you’re smiling, so I think you might be knowing what I’m talking about. I see peep I see a lot of people falling into maybe a similar set of business persona. Like, there might be 5. I don’t know. They kinda do the same things.

 

Kris Ward [00:22:07]:

I think you might be talking about our quiz. So we have a personality quiz. It takes about 30 seconds to do. It’s all kinds of fun to get customized results. And, yes, there are different personalities in The, which I think are incredibly important because often you mistaken some things as your strength. Like, I am a recovering masteraholic, and I thought for the longest time that speed was my superpower. I moved fast. I talked quickly.

 

Kris Ward [00:22:32]:

Nobody got more done than me. I went hard and fast. I did not understand that I was skimming over things The was not getting traction and that you can’t rush into creative mode and try to produce something. It was just always, like, jumping hurdles. Like, what’s next? What’s next? And so I thought that was my biggest strength. Now that to your earlier you know, if you’re neurovirgin, the whole thing is you need to know what are your strengths and your weaknesses. And I do do find that after working with so many entrepreneurs, coaches and consultants and small business owners, they do fall into 1 of 5 categories. And so knowing that and understanding it, I also then argue that it’s time we stop beating ourselves up.

 

Kris Ward [00:23:17]:

So somebody that is a jugglerama or a perfectionizer and you think, oh my gosh. You know? This I just have to be more disciplined or I have to be more focused. I hate hearing that because what I would say to you is if that is your situation, then you need supports and you need this more, not less. But it’s not about your character flaws. It’s about amplifying your strengths and working around your weaknesses, not beating yourself up trying to be somebody you’re not.

 

Jennie Wright [00:23:43]:

Fair enough. It was like you knew I was talking about your quiz. I think that’s cute. In wrapping up and let you know, I think the quiz is actually a really great place to start for people if they wanna sorta get to know where they fit in this whole business aspect. I mean, I I I was talking about this with my partner the other day, and I swear this is true that it doesn’t matter where you are in your business, Chris. You have the exact same problems. It’s just at a different scale. Yes.

 

Jennie Wright [00:24:10]:

Yeah. I mean, The don’t change. I I’ve talked to people, I work with people, who are at the same level as me, who are bigger than me, or, you know, at a different level, you know, just starting out. It’s the exact same problems. It’s just a different scale. And I find it funny that we think that we’re, that we don’t have these problems that I, you know, oh, I’m making multi 6 figures or I’m at the 7 figure mark. This doesn’t apply. Yeah, it does.

 

Jennie Wright [00:24:32]:

You you still need to increase your productivity. You’re still making the same mistakes. It just looks different. It’s it’s with a different piece of software. There’s a different dollar amount attached to it, or there’s different people attached to it. And so I think the the premise and and everything that you talk about, regardless of where people are, has an impact. So I just wanna say thank you. I really appreciate you taking the time, and sharing all of this great stuff with us.

 

Kris Ward [00:24:57]:

Yeah. You were I just wanna add to that. You’re so right. The 2 villains are always time and money. And I know when you’re growing your business, you think, well, if I just had more of this and more of that, and then you look at somebody that might be a big pioneer or somebody making 1,000,000 or even 1,000,000,000 of dollars, and you just can’t relate that they’re struggling with they need x amount of $1,000,000,000 for their new location. They’re still struggling with time and money. Here’s The deadline. We have these products coming out.

 

Kris Ward [00:25:20]:

We have to build the infrastructure, the factory, whatever. And to us, it’s all like, oh, they got no problems. It’s you’re right. For more profound words have never been spoken. It’s just to scale. Instead of now I’m paying for a $30 program, they might be paying for a $3,000 program once a month. Right? So, really, of course, you know your stuff, Jennie. Very wise words.

 

Jennie Wright [00:25:40]:

I appreciate it. Where can people find you, get to know you, learn more about you? Where do you wanna Yeah.

 

Kris Ward [00:25:45]:

I love hanging out on LinkedIn and, you know, you’ll see Jenny’s great content there as well. You can tell me that you heard me on this really amazing podcast and will become fast friends. I do have, you can check out free gift from Chris, free, freegiftfromfromchris.com, freegiftfromchris.com. You can take that personality quiz there. I’ve also put something up special for your listeners, Jenny. We have a free audio version of my book. It’s not gonna be up there very long. It’s for you guys, so check that out.

 

Kris Ward [00:26:16]:

And, Yeah. I’m I’m pretty much everywhere.

 

Jennie Wright [00:26:19]:

Awesome. And you are everywhere. Every time I open my LinkedIn, you are everywhere, all over my notifications, which I think is cute. I love it. I’m working on my my LinkedIn game. I was more of an Instagram girl, but I’m, you know, at the time that we’re recording I’m

 

Kris Ward [00:26:32]:

trying, man.

 

Jennie Wright [00:26:33]:

LinkedIn is definitely becoming the bigger player. I have one of those newsletters now. I love it.

 

Kris Ward [00:26:39]:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

 

Jennie Wright [00:26:40]:

I love my LinkedIn newsletter. It is so much fun. I am having a blast on that. Oh, good. And and kudos to, Katie Brinkley who is the person who not only suggested it, but has been managing that for me. So I will just tickle the exact thing. Alright. I’m gonna wrap this up, but I mean, Chris, we had so much fun.

 

Jennie Wright [00:26:58]:

Thank you. I really do appreciate it. And for everybody listening, go and check out Chris Ward. We will have everything to reach out to her on our show notes, and check those out not only, wherever you’re listening to this podcast, but go to The Aud Phonic Podcast Network and check them out there as well. Thanks so much for listening, and we’ll talk to y’all soon. Take care.